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RE: EC12'ers departing in droves?


GraemeT wrote:
Don you are welcome to your opinion and after all this is your forum so I guess that puts me in the position of a guest.

You claim elsewhere that you are passionate for our sport and keen to help promote it.

Promotion as far as I am concerned is concentrating on the pluses and to this end a sensationalist statement such as "EC12'ers departing in droves" which is NOT supported by fact and then "Are the Australian EC12 Nationals in May going to go ahead? which was clearly never in question does nothing to promote our sport.

Graeme, you are certainly not a guest, any more than I am, and you are as equally entitled to state your opinion as I am. But the reality is, whether we like it or not, we live in a world that is not perfect.

And to consider just the plusses without considering the minus' is just not a part of the real world. It's just not the way the real world works.

I totally agree with promotion. That's what I am all about, but sometimes things will come along that will interfere with that. Those things need to be addressed. Sticking out heads in the sand and not mentioning them or more importantly, not trying to resolve them is sheer foolhardiness, and in the long term does much more harm than it does good.

My philosophy is that, let's address any issues as they arise, publicly, to give anyone interested a chance to have a say, let's deal with them straight away, and let's get the issues resolved, and let's get on with the rest of it. That is, to have some fun and enjoyment in a world becoming increasingly devoid of those characteristics.



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Well Maverick , you got somebody's attention? While Graeme is the National Publicity Officer of the Aust Radio Yachting . he too must bear responsibility for some lack of information that Maverick is talking about


BUT before we have a laugh in the background , in Associations it is the DUTY of every individual to help out with passing the word on our Sport. Not Graeme's job alone. Situations grow becuase we don't pull this sort of thing well inboard.

Henry

-- Edited by Henry at 08:55, 2008-03-19

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Don you are welcome to your opinion and after all this is your forum so I guess that puts me in the position of a guest.

You claim elsewhere that you are passionate for our sport and keen to help promote it.

Promotion as far as I am concerned is concentrating on the pluses and to this end a sensationalist statement such as "EC12'ers departing in droves" which is NOT supported by fact and then "Are the Australian EC12 Nationals in May going to go ahead? which was clearly never in question does nothing to promote our sport.

The simple fact is that we have lost one active competitive skipper in the last twelve months and gained at least one other.

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GraemeT wrote:
Don,
I am dissapointed that you chose to write some of this information before having the courtesy of first checking a few facts. My contact information is known to you and I always respond promptly to any requests for information.

Yes I did sell my boat but have not deserted the class and have competed in all major events since. Yeoman is selling one boat, not his quickest which he will campaign in both the Qld and National EC12 event. The fact that the Current Class Champion has chosen to sell his boat to concentrate on other things is just that ... not doom and gloom as you suggest.

Please in future check the facts before comitting to print.

Graeme Turk,
Race Secretary
2008 EC12 Nationals
North Lakes Queensland

Thank you Graeme for making your comments.

But from what I read, your comments confirm that my facts are indeed correct, and that should not be confused with the question I asked. You have given reasons for what has happened, but it has not changed their happening.

Yes, I am fully aware you have supported the class even though you sold your own boat and have supported the EC12 not only in Australia but in New Zealand as well.

I do not see that what I have stated is discourteous to you or anybody else. It is simply a statement of the existing situation as I see it, with the information that is publicly available.

What else am I to think? There is no information coming out from anywhere on what is happening in the EC12 Class in Australia, even once in a while, never mind on an ongoing basis.

Do you honestly think I am the only one thinking this way?

Everything I have referred to is all public information. It's probably just that specific issues have never been raised in a public forum before. And I cannot apologise for that either. If there are issues, they need to be addressed. And the way I see it, the "behind closed doors", (let's not do anything), approach to addressing, or not, of the issues impacting on the EC12 has simply not worked. And that has I think been going on for at least four years, even since I acquired my EC12, and started to take an interest in the class.

You may not think so, but my dearest hope is that the EC12 WILL thrive in this country, just like it appears to be doing in the USA and New Zealand. And I will do whatever I can to promote the EC12, but I will not be silenced and will simply ignore unconstructive? criticism or condemnation for stating the obvious, and stating things that other's may be thinking but are not prepared to comment on, and wanting information that seems to be a closely guarded secret.

Information such as, frequent updates, latest news, new developments, on what is happening within the class.

Is that really too much to ask?

Regards and with huge respect,
Don

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Current Entry list is available at www.rcyachts.net/EC12/index.html There are a few more potential entries that are as yet to confirm.

GT

Web site address corrected

-- Edited by GraemeT at 22:16, 2008-03-17

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So Graeme how is the preparations going for the event in May in Queensland? Have any of the Americans intermated that they are coming? How many do you expect from Australia to be there?

 Henry


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Maverick wrote:

What's happening to the old guard of EC12'ers who have been stalwarts of this class despite the ARYA's best efforts over the last 10 years to refuse to release a set of rules, and therefore presumably, to by stealth, eliminate the EC12 as a class?

Where are they going? Why are they leaving?

Last year, Graeme Turk, the 2006 National Champion sold his boat.

Last year the ARYA Secretary, Rob O'Brien, advertised for sale an EC12.

Just yesterday, I see Malcolm Kampe, the current Australian EC12 Champion, now has his boat up for sale.

And to add insult to injury, Yeoman Sands, who as I recall was one of the guys who went to New Zealand for the 2007 EC12 World's, also put up his boat for sale on the ARYA website yesterday as well.

Does this indicate the end of the EC12 in Australia?

And then I have a bigger question.

Are the Australian EC12 Nationals in May going to go ahead?



Don,
I am dissapointed that you chose to write some of this information before having the courtesy of first checking a few facts. My contact information is known to you and I always respond promptly to any requests for information.

Of course the Australian EC12 Nationals are going ahead. With a confirmed 3 boat NZ contingent and most of the top Australian skippers already nominated we are aiming to make it the best yet and expect an entry to equal or better last year.

Yes I did sell my boat but have not deserted the class and have competed in all major events since. Yeoman is selling one boat, not his quickest which he will campaign in both the Qld and National EC12 event. The fact that the Current Class Champion has chosen to sell his boat to concentrate on other things is just that ... not doom and gloom as you suggest.

Please in future check the facts before comitting to print.

Graeme Turk,
Race Secretary
2008 EC12 Nationals
North Lakes Queensland



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Yes Mav , I think they will and I think it will be a beauty, too. As you know I do not own a EC12 but I will urge them to have "serious Fun" and have a good Nats. As you know I have , with my mates (who race EC12s) have formed the Aust 12 metre Owners Association will work to make 12 metre sailing and racing  a FUN SPORT in Australia and I know you and anyone who has a 12 metre will come and join us in having that fun.

Henry

-- Edited by Henry at 11:17, 2008-03-17

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What's happening to the old guard of EC12'ers who have been stalwarts of this class despite the ARYA's best efforts over the last 10 years to refuse to release a set of rules, and therefore presumably, to by stealth, eliminate the EC12 as a class?

Where are they going? Why are they leaving?

Last year, Graeme Turk, the 2006 National Champion sold his boat.

Last year the ARYA Secretary, Rob O'Brien, advertised for sale an EC12.

Just yesterday, I see Malcolm Kampe, the current Australian EC12 Champion, now has his boat up for sale.

And to add insult to injury, Yeoman Sands, who as I recall was one of the guys who went to New Zealand for the 2007 EC12 World's, also put up his boat for sale on the ARYA website yesterday as well.

Does this indicate the end of the EC12 in Australia?

And then I have a bigger question.

Are the Australian EC12 Nationals in May going to go ahead?



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