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Maverick · Guru

RE: Christmas greetings

waboats · Senior Member

Maverick wrote:
Waboats, John,

I use Sign-on names, for consistency.

If someone replying to a post just uses a first name, there is no clue as to where the post came from, or to whom, it is directed.

Maverick/Don

I have no issue with that..

A beginning point would be perhaps the immediate & previous post especially when context is clear. blankstare

But I take your point.. I did notice however that the sytem automatically adjusts/edits user names that it considers inappropriate. So maybe that might need looking into.

Cow****y for example.. (COW C O C K Y)

Cheers

PFP, PNG

Maverick · Guru

Waboats, John,

I use Sign-on names, for consistency.

If someone replying to a post just uses a first name, there is no clue as to where the post came from, or to whom, it is directed.

A new user, would not have any idea for example, that John, if a message was even signed that way, might be waboats, or even some other user with the first name of John. Therefore, it would be almost impossible to keep track of the thread.

Note the confusion caused by your use of the name Don! I had no idea your post was not meant for me!

Use of 'handles' or 'sign-on' names is more than acceptable, appropriate, and to be encouraged, to avoid this type of confusion. And should never be taken as a sleight!

I state my real name in ALL my posts as a signature item, to advise all of my real name, and not to hide behind anonymous posts. But that is my choice, and I will not impose that requirement on any other users.

waboats · Senior Member

DON C...

Simple Really

Not referring to you...

Answering to Cow****y... Who is Don Clifford, I believe...

Is That clear enough...

I tend to use a name when it is known. As you openly encourage.

Unlike some, who use other titles for other reasons... disbelief

-- Edited by waboats on Thursday 29th of December 2011 10:56:03 PM

-- Edited by waboats on Thursday 29th of December 2011 11:06:54 PM

Maverick · Guru

waboats, I have no idea of what you are referring to!

Don

waboats · Senior Member

Don

And where is all this Information you are passing on..

Is it here for all to See, Read & Enjoy.. And make their own minds up.

My guess is Not disbelief

Cowcocky · Member

And things need to change for 2012 with out your stupid rants wab , you basicly destroyed the other forum and now your being allowed to destroy this one. people ask where they can get information on the web and I have to tell them to try USA or UK as if they get on here and read your tripe we have lost another potential member. Please wab crawl back to what your interest was proir to RC Yachts and stay there, there are other people who read this forum but do not respond because of your attitude. cow****y

waboats · Senior Member

Chris

So what is the problem with

2012 New Years Resolution is

"To Include Everybody in the decision Making Process & to treat all Members of the AEC12OA & other owners with Due Respect they are entitled to receive"

Additional we can but envisage this year being more productive in the way of Quality Information supplied to anybody & everybody, not just the selective Minority

Maybe there is a problem here.. But certainly not from me...

How do you propose the Class or maybe any ARYA Class should Move Forward in 2012...

Instead of rambling off, how about some specifics, other than just a negative non-specific rant.

Maybe you can put the supposed problem clearly & what YOU have taken it to mean.

There certainly wasn't a negative from my point of view merely a suggestion of what should & could occur for 2012 & moving forward..

Would you like to convey where it wasn't intended in that fashion? Or is this just more of avoiding the issues that plague the EC12 worldwide..

2011 was unfortunately a disaster, And things need to change. There is no doubt on that one. evileye

Cheers

John

ec12nz · Veteran Member

I visit these forums daily to keep up with news in OZ - particularly the EC12 being an avid supporter myself.

Mr Morris has made a reasonable and fair post at the start of this thread and without reason or obvious comment waboats has instantly climbed into Peter.

Please pull your head in and if you can't be supportive of a positive post please don't bother to comment - probably one of the reasons as posted elsewhere that many are registered but aren't posting = maybe a fear of incurring the west australian wrath.

Posts like yours above are not inviting of anyone lurking who is new to the sport seekng information - these posts are more inclined to make one head off elsewhere as if you are such a negative, critical pessimist on here I can only imagine the real deal is worse. This is the impression given by high lighting text, making bold statements and direct derogatory comments against people trying at personal expense in $$ and alot of time to drag 1 class into the 21st century.

If you aren't going to be a positive member of the group why concentrate your hatred against a class you have little history or involvement with into something else you are involved with like the MM.

I and I am sure many other readers here have had enough of your blatant disregard and disrespect of other participants.

New Years suggestion - go fly a kite - less rules to be neagtive about.

waboats · Senior Member

Mav

Actions speak louder than words...

He Hasn't been back since & cancelled previous login ID only to cast a different look on how many posts & linkage to them... My guess is to avoid the previous vulgarity & disrespect to others (outside the few days of goodwill wink ).

One or Two Days well I hope, & that is the basis of my initial post, That Mr Straw has a change of focus to one of Inclusion of everybody & demonstrating the respects entitled to ALL, moving forward into the New Year. One can only hope & await the next tirade.

Mr Straw wrote:

I shall be back in touch in the near future once we are past the festive season with a written communication putting all interested people "in the know"

We know he has stated that he will only be communicating with HIS supporters... So indeed the Gesture was & is Limited....

I have suggested a better alternative as you suggest.. ie To Include Everybody... Simple Really..

If this is upsetting & not within the Capabilities of Mr Straw & Others then that is unfortunate..

In Radio Sailing there is a Run Hide & Avoid Culture... You yourself have documented many aspects of such behaviours.. Yet it now seems that the EC12 is about to get swallowed into the same regime of political powerplays & it gets supported..

So if Information is not to flow to ALL & Sundry & is limited to backdoor power plays then there is no value to interested people outside the supporter group & as such the closure is a moot point..

Because simply nothing will be forthcoming anyway...

Communication & How to limit the Propoganda to match the aims... Now that is a Powerful Tool...

Cheers

John

Henry · Senior Member

HERE, HERE MAV. Henry

Maverick · Guru

Neither am I a supporter of false platitudes, and my comment about goodwill was meant, and intended, to be an enduring one!

Why you would have, unreasonably and incorrectly, chosen to suggest it was limited to one or two days, is beyond my comprehension, for nothing like that was suggested, or even implied!

And waboats, it seems you have deliberately chosen to take issue with my comments, when there was nothing to take issue with!

We are a very small band of people, we, who sail model boats! And we need to work together to achieve common objectives.

I have absolutely no issue, with anybody asking probing questions, provided they are not personal attacks!

But if there is an issue, about anything, then might I respectfully suggest that the questions be asked in a reasonable manner, and just the facts be responded to, also preferably, in a reasonable manner.

And I expect that, we, as adults, will, each time we criticise something, or some aspect of this sport, also, offer at the same time, a suggestion of a solution, to the item or issue, we have criticised.

I WARN EVERYBODY NOW, that poster's on these forums' will be deleted, without notice, if they persist with emulating the actions of a two year old child, who criticises things, but does not yet have the knowledge to suggest changes.

If that action is unacceptable, then kinda stiff luck to you! Go set up your own forum! But most of all, STOP USING THIS ONE to spread your poison!

And I have already proven, and demonstrated, that I do not care, if not one single solitary soul, visits this site! Or these forums'.

How terrible it is, to have to post comments like I have just done, when the initial post was a such a positive attempt of goodwill, not only for the season, but also for the class!

And that intitial post, only to be criticised, BEFORE the initial poster has even had a chance to do what he has publicly stated, he will do, as information becomes available!

Geezus Christ, that reeks of the concept of 'let's kill everyone, just in case they may commit a crime, sometime in their lives! And even if they don't or didn't, it was good to do anyway! People with such an approach, are not needed in our sport, or any other, for that matter!

And they are certainly not welcome as a contributor on these forums'!

waboats · Senior Member

Mav

Not sure what you mean or can make of your suggestion. I'm certainly not a supporter of False Platitudes if that is what you mean.

Each year is 365 Days Long... Goodwill should be extended throughout the whole year not just one or two days, & only to ease ones conscience.. ..

"To Include Everybody in the decision Making Process & to treat all Members of the AEC12OA & other owners with Due Respect they are entitled to receive"

Isn't this a proper way of embracing everybody regardless of their beliefs or supports.

Have to say the limiting aspect of only conveying to the Interested Ones was curious... But Not Unexpected..

If the Class is Genuine then Information should be Freely available to All & Sundry....

Which unfortunately in the EC12 Class it is not... That is why it is where it is...

So by suggesting that all should be included is inflamatory then I suppose that is where things are..

Everybody jumping at shadows & affraid to speak, or mores the case.. Not allowed to Speak...

-- Edited by waboats on Wednesday 28th of December 2011 06:47:05 PM

Maverick · Guru

Waboats, I believe your post was unnecessarily inflammatory, and not in the spirit of friendship, as suggested in the first post of this forum.

Might I respectfully suggest to all, that we finish the old year, and start off the New Year, in a positive spirit of cooperation, and friendliness to each other, for the good of the class, and for the good of model yachting! smile

waboats · Senior Member

Mr Straw

Good top see you back in the Forum... Looks like you provoked me into posting....

One can only hope the 2012 New Years Resolution is

"To Include Everybody in the decision Making Process & to treat all Members of the AEC12OA & other owners with Due Respect they are entitled to receive"

not like 2011...

Additional we can but envisage this year being more productive in the way of Quality Information supplied to anybody & everybody, not just the selective Minority

-- Edited by waboats on Wednesday 28th of December 2011 02:49:30 PM

Maverick · Guru

Thank you very much Straw, for you Christmas greetings! smile

And may the future be bright for the EC12 and all who sail them! biggrin biggrin

Straw · Member

Hi all fellow radio sailors who follow these pages. On behalf of all the executive of the Australian EC12 Owners Association I would like to express our thanks and gratitude for the support from all members and wish you all a very happy Christmas and very prosperous New Year. It has been a long and tiring year for most I dare say but the future looks bright I think and we should look forward to the resolution we have all desired for a very long time. I shall have more to comment on in the New Year once we are past the ARYA AGM process, the outcome of which shall determine the exact nature of our collective future. I shall be back in touch in the near future once we are past the festive season with a written communication putting all interested people "in the know" with the next steps we shall take pending approval of the members. Until then, God bless and good sailing. Straw