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Whoa there Henry!

Cannot agree with your last post at all.

What attracted me to sailboats was that they looked graceful, they did not pollute the atmosphere with dirty emission producing engines, that they were quiet, and that their presence on the water was non invasive to the environment. No oil slicks, no fumes, nothing.

But yet there still remained a challenge.

Just you, the boat, and nature's elements.

That's where I came from. That's what my background was. But something changed when I put my first yacht in the water. Oh, all of the above still applied, but I realised I had no control over the thing. Something that looked so easy, so beautiful, so graceful, suddenly became such a challenge. Sailing a sailboat was not as easy as it looked. And it presented a challenge that continues to this day.

But you also spoke of helicopters. and I have just ventured into serious radio control helicoptering because it tests me the same way sailing a radio yacht does. I have just ordered a T-Rex 500, not that that means anything, but it is a serious piece of work. The only difference is that I have more access to flying sites than I do to sailing sites.

But I do have a plan regarding sailing sites. All I have to do is try to convince the local newspapers to give me some free promotional space. But I've drifted right off topic here.

If we want to get new folks into this sport, we have to expect that they will not have the foggiest notion of what the rules are. And we then make a choice.

We either be patient and encourage them and slowly teach them the rules as they gain experience, and it is only after they have gained some of that experience, that rules begin to matter,

or,

we say, don't come back until you know the rules of sailing.

Sorry, but the second option, is to me, totally and unreservedly, inappropriate, wrong, destructive, and anyone who practices that approach should be barred from sailing with fellow humans.

Sorry to disagree with your comments, but my desire is that this sport should be encouraged at every level, and if that means I need to sail with someone who loves to sail, but does not have the foggiest idea or rules, then so be it, and I will sail with that person at every opportunity I can.


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Well one might ask what are they doing there if they have not got the "foggiest" of how a boats sails?? You know Mav, there has to be a reason there somewhere, its not like Helicopters is it. Like you don't have to explain that it goes up and down , around and around, thats what it does? Well when it is with yachts they must knows something happens as a minimum, otherwise what are they doing there , taking the Aire'?


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Well, whoever wins the races might explain to their fellows why their sail settings work, or don't.

You know, that to the novice, this is that last thing they think about. All they want initially is to get their boat moving in all weathers.

Initially they have no idea why they cannot get their boat to go where they want it to, never mind trying to beat anybody else. That's when they need help. I know that's when I could have done with some help when I first started sailing.

Why can't I turn my boat around? Why is my boat not moving at all? Why are the sails just flapping?

But that is all part of the learning process. And they are all questions that need to be answered.

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What I have been finding in our club racing is that skippers want to pull sails in Tight. I don't know the reason for this. Sure the sails have flow cut into them but pulling a sail on tight just doesn't work. Now I'm talking about tight across the foot of the sail , Up and down the luff (front ) of the sail near the mast. The way I keep telling my blokes is the sail has to look like the shape of a aeroplane wing. You don't know what an Aeroplane wing looks ,well go and have a look?

Some years ago , I was looking through an article on 12 metre sails written by Rod Carr in Washington State in the USA. This gentleman has some great Ideas about this subject and he was saying about putting thick coloured lines across the sails , so one could see the curvature of your sails as the boat was progressing. Now this is a great Idea. And takes the guess work out of the equation.
I can tell you these Nautic 12s don't go with flat sails.

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As you are the one with the knowledge I am happy to do as you say at this time.smile

To be reviewed at a later date.

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 Well Mav, why don't you just leave it in position where it is and we'll see what flows. Generally the good ideas come from little conversations just like this one. If people have got to flick to some other page they may not think it is just a freindly little talk . Sometimes information can go out better if it is just a friendly little talk , thats doing it another way? I always reckon people remember stuff because it is tied in with a conversation about something?

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These Nautics can go faster than they are going . After saying that , I should point out that they are getting along quite nicely but they can go faster. The thing with them is they point higher the faster they go through the water when beating. This is because of the way the keel is designed. (Yeah , Yeah we had the keel row and your got you're own opinions!) But you will notice that the good boats can get up further to windward with their sails off a fair way OR in other words , not pulled in tight. Tight is NOT GOOD. For it stalls everything, including the keel. Just let everything flowwwwwwww.

One of the "secrets" of sailing some of these kit boats are about baggy sails and the Nautic is similar in some ways. There is a "golden Rule " in old boat sailing that remains true with Nautics. And it goes something like this " pull your sails in to what ever you think is right and then let them out a bit". the thought conveyed is that we pull sails in too tight.

 AND again, when you're in a situation where you can't see what the wind is doing to your boat put your sails at "close reach position" rather than wait for the wind to do "Something". The difference between good sailors and other sailors is what good sailors do when the wind appears to be doing nothing ? I want you to think about this situation for it will have a great bearing on what you do on the course or your finishing position.

Henry, if this isn't a hint to set up a new topic maybe called "Tips & Tricks" or something similar, then I don't know what is.

Do you want to set it up the topic or do you want me to do it?

I for one, soak this stuff up like a sponge, because I have so much to learn.

But there are not that many sources that give you practical applications like you just have. There are millions of sites that espouse the theory, but not many that give practical examples in a concise format.

Our sport is hopefully about encouraging folks with all levels of expertise, from none to done, with none being someone who has never sailed a sailboat before, to done, who is the authority. 



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What are you trying to do Mav , give us the "Kiss of death".

Absolutely not!

But I found your comments interesting, and for the less experienced of us, those who have not sailed a lot, your comments are timely, and a reminder that we should all check our boats for soundness before we take them out for a sail, each time we intend to take them out for a sail.



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Well Maverick , Lets try again for these Nautics can go faster than they are going . After saying that , I should point out that they are getting along quite nicely but they can go faster. The thing with them is they point higher the faster they go through the water when beating. This is because of the way the keel is designed. (Yeah , Yeah we had the keel row and your got you're own opinions!) But you will notice that the good boats can get up further to windward with their sails off a fair way OR in other words , not pulled in tight. Tight is NOT GOOD. For it stalls everything, including the keel. Just let everything flowwwwwwww.

One of the "secrets" of sailing some of these kit boats are about baggy sails and the Nautic is similar in some ways. There is a "golden Rule " in old boat sailing that remains true with Nautics. And it goes something like this " pull your sails in to what ever you think is right and then let them out a bit". the thought conveyed is that we pull sails in too tight.

 AND again, when you're in a situation where you can't see what the wind is doing to your boat put your sails at "close reach position" rather than wait for the wind to do "Something". The difference between good sailors and other sailors is what good sailors do when the wind appears to be doing nothing ? I want you to think about this situation for it will have a great bearing on what you do on the course or your finishing position.


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 AND to talk about the "kiss of Death" . We were out sailing on wednesday (as usual) and some twerp decided to come back from the starting line at the count of 4 seconds , weaving through the pack on PORT tack. I don't know where he started his sail training at but it is a NO NO. And a recipe for DISASTER and he wiped me out and another MAST went OVERBOARD . Twice in two weeks!! Yep, I was ropable. For it was 'mast under the boat' and the boat was almost unable to get a shore because of the whole rig dragging.

 While I'm scrambling to get my boat which took about 15 minutes , they all just hung around, for nobody could "finger" a tape  recorder for the start tape. By this time I had just about had enough with getting 'taken out '.  So I determined to get even . Got my boat ,rerigged it then and there and threw it in and won the next race and the one after that for good measure.  I told them if they were going to have 'billy goat sailing they should bring their togs'.


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What are you trying to do Mav , give us the "Kiss of death".

 Perhaps I should mention how IOM & Marbs go when they are raced twice a week for a great length of time as well? especially if Carbon is involved.

 The Garbo man is out there right now as I type this, taking away 10 Marbleheads and do you know Mav, I can't see where they actually came from. Only about another 20 "or so" left. My Mate who was giving me a hand extracting them, said the same thing. Ah well, everything went , that had to go(for now). The" big chuckout" will continue with 10 raters and A class next, for there are a few to go.

 Mrs FUN is going rampant and the funny thing is , she said that they were worth money and I should keep them???? and sell the on EBay but You'se all know that it is only her "talk".


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Well about this thing about wearing out boats. I carefully took my Nautic 12 into the boathouse to do some maintenance on it. I had to renew the jib sheet line. For I lost it in a little mishap on Wednesday last. And the reason I mention this is because my boat is the second one that this has happened to in the last couple of weeks. It appears that somehow the jib boom hook that the boom attaches to the deck, suddenly comes out of the eye bolt fitting . How & why we are not sure but it has happened with two boats .

Any chance of getting some close-up pics of the offending items?

There are now lots of these boats out and about. Owners might be interested in rectifying the problems before the rig collapses. Not everybody has the luxury of being able to easily retrieve their boat once something like this has happened.

Hey Henry, you've just given me an idea.

I will start a new topic in the Nautic12 section called Repairs & Maintenance for discussion on things like this. I think there are enough boats out there to make this worth while.

-- Edited by Maverick at 00:23, 2008-03-29

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Well Maverick , You'll be the first to know about this other type of 12 metre. I will endeavour to get you a photo, so you can put it up.

Well about this thing about wearing out boats. I carefully took my Nautic 12 into the boathouse to do some maintenance on it. I had to renew the jib sheet line. For I lost it in a little mishap on Wednesday last. And the reason I mention this is because my boat is the second one that this has happened to in the last couple of weeks. It appears that somehow the jib boom hook that the boom attaches to the deck, suddenly comes out of the eye bolt fitting . How & why we are not sure but it has happened with two boats . In actual fact it doesn't hurt the boat except that the rig falls down but it can be put up again when its retreived. I think somehow it slips out of the eye bolt, I have now put another little bend in the hook wire but that causes other probs, perhaps the blob of blue tack might be the answer at that point. I lost the back stay & mast crane as well and had to replace that as well. All in all the boat has stood up to a hell of a lot of sailing in such a short time frame. Twice a week of about 3hours a time or 6 hours a week. I use a model car 7.2volt Ni-cad battery for my boat power. And this works fine. At $29.00 at Dick Smith's who can go past it.

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The amazing thing is he has "another  type" of 12 metre

Well, you've got my attention. Lat's not be bashful. May I ask what "another type" it is?

And you know, I've never been one to envy anybody anything, but I am starting to get there with the opportunities you get to sail. I just wish I could complain about my stuff wearing out because it's been sailed so much!sniff.gif

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Well its not forsale. Lets move on.  We raced today(somebody has got to do it ) and it is a command from higher up! From" he who must be obeyed".

 You know Mav that gear wears out when you race the amounts of times we sail.I'm up for a new set of booms. The square type  are just not strong enough, they originaly came off IOM type boats and are too light in section wall thickness. We get a lot of distortion with them, so I guess it is back to round tube.

 We got a new member yesterday, See I told you ,just the other week , the members were telling me not to get more new members and a 'tother' one sneeked up on us. It is insidious how it happens.

 The amazing thing is he has "another  type" of 12 metre and he is retired like us. These boats are everywhere and a little bit of prompting gets them out to the water. AND even if they are no good , they will find out about it in a couple of weeks of sailing . We can give them a go of the Nautic12s to see if they like those, which inverilly they do.

 And this comes about with Communications, word of mouth.  

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Henry,

You've now got all my contact details. But if I've missed them all, then just tell me to get off my b*% and give you a call. That can be done here if necessary.

-- Edited by Maverick at 19:11, 2008-03-25

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Mav , you have me over a barrel. I need to talk with you about this matter BUT do I talk to you here in this Page/ forum OR, Or ..... where? I went to  FOR SALE  page.

Henry

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The "blank" bit Mav is about the greif I had from trying to measure it on forms and stuff over the last week etc.  I make it a point not to ' Sell ' Nautics but to let them sell themselves. So I will keep it in mind and pass the message to him, Okay.

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What do you mean "He's drawn a blank on his EC12 rego?"

Make sure you respond to that first, before considering the next part of this post.

If'n you're thinking of modifying his EC12, please don't do anything until you send me some pics of it. Perhaps we might be able to do a deal. He sells me his EC12 and I sell him Maverick2. I'm sorry to say that he would need at least another $900, (no electrics), to be placed inside the hull, and we would each need to negotiate separately freight, insurance, etc.
 
The reason I make this offer is that I am desperately keen to modify an EC12 to Liberty specifications, which was the first  major breakthrough in 12-metre design, before the Australia II. And I don't want to do it with my own EC12.

Just more food for thought and consideration.

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After suitable admonishment , I'm in "sack cloth and ashes". Arthur has just drawn a blank on his EC12  rego, I don't care if he never gets it done , we might even send it to the NAUTIC 12 factory to do a quick fix on his keel or failing that , giving it a bit of "chopsuey". He has been racing mine(nautic 12) for three weeks now and beating the crap out of the locals'. I told him a soon as he started on the first day at Scarborough  not to win over the other boats. Did he take my advice ,,,, no.
 he went out and won the first race!! I warbled to him to run DED in the second race  but no , he had to win. Hell there was bedlam. Muttering right down to the pub at the end of the day . Suggestions on what we are going to do with him are still filtering down . Three weeks later , I'm still fighting to lay my hands on my boat on race day. So Arthur will be getting his EC12 unregoed and quicker than he expected.


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Gees,

I really do well and truly hate politics!

But whichever way you look at it, if people don't do anything unless pressure is brought to bear, then sometimes, I just wonder about the quality of the people.

Sorry, I'm not in a very tolerant mood right now.

You and Leigh have taken a huge first step in uniting everybody. Even though it was my idea.smile But I could not make it work. You could. And that is what matters.

Let's not stand for any more bull****, the stuff that has hampered the promotion of these beautiful boats, irrespective of origin.

Let's get the 12-Metre show on the road!

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Well after saying that Mav. I think it is quite funny , that we are doing anything with EC12s for we got them going last time and 4 years later they snuffed it again .. We are steadily growing in NAUTICS. No, we are not going in spurts but good steady progress. I envizage that we will become the biggest class in about two years from now. Thats a pretty outlandish estimation but that looks what is going to happen.

The little Victor Aussie 11 or whatever we finally decide on as the entry level boat will help it along . Nautic 12s as well as those other boats do have a weight problem but younger people are coming along to fill the ranks. At least that is what we are finding.

We have to somehow channel our resourses into winners, we can't waste them on befuddled experiments that go nowhere as in the 4 year march backwards while facing someother direction.

Henry

 in addition , I got into this 12metre owners simply because I wanted to do a friend's ec12 rego. Of course the the "powers that be" didn't have any rules (this is after 4 years ) it didn't have any measurement forms, rego forms , nothing, Zilch. And they said they were in controll of the situation!!!! . They had just run out of excuses and are creating smoke screens or illusitions. So I went and helped create a measurement forms and other stuff . Well this woke the sleep giant  bigtime But you see Mav the sleeping giant needed a good shake. Alll the officials I talk to trying to get rego forms "Knew nothing". Till they were pressed and then all of a sudden they were "experts " again. People who were say "i know nothing" were now saying you must do this or that and suddenly they were using rego forms .... But not officially . You see this is where it has got to ,,, it is all done with smoke and mirror . I'm really glad NAUTICS are not in there. In NSW they have told us we need 25 Nautic to become a class in NSW. Well we can accept that . They can make it 250 if they like for we are having loads of FUN doing what we like.

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Y'll still got them thar oars out, Oh Knock me down with a feather?

 Well Mave this must be the season for news and you can say you heard it here first. I think we are going to sell some more Nautic 12s. Even the  Manufacturer doesn't know it yet. But them's what I have been told.

 On another front we are going to get a A2 at our pond on Wednesday(19/3/08), with an offer to have a lend of it for a while to see "what is what".

 Now this does not mean that they're going to amalagmate in the Australian 12 metre Owners Association or anything like that, for they are not. We're are just having a look- see. Its call co-operation.

 Now I know some of the so-called aspirants of A2 still don't want to talk and thats their preogatry not to do so. And we don't want to buy into anything like that . Just a look -see.

Like everyone whose into the Australian 12 Metre Owners Ass. everyone who will be members and only they will have a voice in it. Each Class/ section will run itself and we won't put up with jerkers on the outside.

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Oh, I most definitely will. You can bet on that.

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Don't put your oars away just yet Mav, this is on the near horizon even now. Stay tuned.

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Some people reading these pages may thing we are a couple of old whingers? Well let me say ... we probably are but what alternatives do we have?

Well I guess we could do the same as it appears most other people are doing - nothing, but if gets very hard not to get upset when something you are interested in seems to be disappearing down the drain.

And to the best of my knowledge, doing nothing has never achieved anything.

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On another front , I was talking with someone who sails A2 and he is considering sailing his A2 on Wednesdays with us.

See, positive things CAN still happen in the 12-metre world. This would be an absolutely fantastic move. If you can't get all three, well then 2 out 3 ain't bad and would be a great start to an independent 12 metre group.smile



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Maverick . We ar still doing the same as before. Can't walk away from a commitment . There is still the need to have the NAUTIC 12 Association going to ISSUE RULES AND RATING CERTS. Otherwise it would not be any different than the other boat. AT least with the NAUTIC class you can get all these things

 Some people reading these pages may thing we are a couple of old whingers? Well let me say ... we probably are but what alternatives do we have?

 On another front , I was talking with someone who sails A2 and he is considering sailing his A2 on Wednesdays with us.

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Should any potential enquiries still be directed to the contact on the Aussie website or should they be directed somewhere else now?

And enjoying the company of good friends is indeed still an admirable pasttime.

-- Edited by Maverick at 22:52, 2008-03-12

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Well I have not put anything up since early FEB. But I have not been lazy. I've even had a go at IOM, which was beaut.

 But getting back to real sailing with the Nautics this Wednesday, showed there is a renewed interest in this NAUTIC12 class around our way. We seem to be on a resurgence and I think we might start selling more of them.

 I am on a promise that we won't let our club get bigger in Membership. That we have a good workable number to race with (10) and everyone is happy. But you can't stop progress. Progress is that terrible thing that creeps up on you so that you suddenly find that you have fifteen boats racing.

 I must admit , that I have taken a low profile for the last few months and my sailing / racing has definitely improved and I have been enjoying myself and my mate's company. So much so that I have not wanted to do anything else. Getting in an organizing is definitely a big NO NO and I'm not going to do it anymore.

 I am going to foster NAUTICS but I'm not selling it. If it is going to sell , then it will sell itself.

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Henry, I totally agree with your comment about it it being easier to be a critic than a helper.

That's why I asked in my post of the 7th Feb, nearly two weeks ago, in the EC12 Forum the following questions. And that's why I drafted myself a set of EC12 rules what now must be more than 12 months ago, to see what was involved, and made them available for reading.

"Does anyone, anyone at all, know what the impediments are to, or what is stopping, the ARYA from publishing a set of Australian EC12 Rating Rules? What is the reason for the holdup or delay?

But most important of all, what can we, the radio yachting community, do to assist the ARYA to get a set of rules out there? How can we help?"

In case it was not understood, I for one, was offering help in any way that I could.

Henry, I'm also going to post this in the EC12 Forum as I think your point is relevant to the current situation there. 



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 Well this NZ Association has been on rocky road for so long people were thinking it was normal. I can tell you that the Kiwi had an outstanding National authority in  in the 1990s, when they ran the IOM world championships. And I can see if they get their collectives... together, they might just achieve it again!

 


And While we are talking about National Authorities , Maverick. I wish to say here that it is easy to be a critic than to be a helper. I would suggest that we all contact our National Association and ask if we can help them with this problem. The Minimum that will happen is that they will know that there are people watching this situation.


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Good News indeed!

These positive actions only confirm what I have previously publicly stated.

The Kiwi's know how to get things done. In ALL classes!  And I have also publicly stated that they have been a good role model as well, even though they have had their hiccups? from time to time, as all dynamic organisations will.

And congratulations on the N12'ers on achieiving their nationally recognised status, and with a completely new class, and so quickly as well!

The Kiwi's continue to impress.

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On the other hand , I have some pleasing news to convey.... (for a change)

 Our old mates from Nautic 12s have done it again ... Stepped into the breach!! It appear s throught Ill health and other things that there has been a change over of leadership at the NZRYA Or (to You) the New Zealand Radio Yachting Ass.

 A whole new team are in there "beavering away", including Bob "Neptune"  as the acting Secretary and his trusty mates including Nev Beetson as Treasurer. Nev is the Manufacturer of the Nautic 12s. If fact I have been told there are a whole new committee made up with a few others we know including Jim Browne from IOM and Nautics and Tony "O" the hull manufacturer to name a few.

 And that is not all ! The Nautic 12s have been recognized as a national class in NZRYA. They have three classes in NZRYA which are M, IOM and Nautic 12s at this stage.

 Not only but also !!

#####There has been proclaimed by the new NZRYA CHAIRMAN (Roy Chargrain) That there will be a NATIONAL NAUTIC 12 CHAMPIONSHIP on the  9th of April 08 at the AUCKLAND club venue of the NSRY#####

Well this is a turn up of events!




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Well we got the Nautic 12s up about 13 units in this country. Now we are at this stage what are we going to do ? Are we to go on , stay where we are perhaps? Some of us are getting older. I know in our club (Ancient Mariners ) that some of us are about passed it, so what happens now? These are a lot of questions and if you are the noticing type of person you will see that I'm talking about something that is happening with our sport at the present time . Stagnation....... Yep it is an ugly word. Its signs of the times at the moment . The world around us is in the same sort of thing for we don't know whats going to happen. Our spare cash we are reluctant to spread around too much, etc.

 Now I can go out and "jolly" the troops , but will that help? Maybe abit of a membership drive or something. Or should we just go and bury our heads in the sand? And hope it will all go away and improve?


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I have to agree with you regarding the batteries.

NiCad's and NiMh's certainly do benefit from full discharge/charge cycles. I have most definitely confirmed this.

NiMh's were not supposed to be be so sensitive to partial charges/discharges, but I have personally found that that is not true. They most definitely do need to be cycled to get the best out of them.

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RE: Nautic12 Regatta - Australia Day

Cause it can bring some probs Mav. There is the little matter of wearing gear out at an alarming rate.  And The battery thing . These seem to go better the more you use them or should I say by using them more often.

I do notice that painted boats seem to wear on painted hulls far quicker that on gel coat hulls.

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Well the Nautic 12 regatta is on on Australia Day at Scarborough Park in Sydney. We expect the usual boats plus our mates from a wider parts. Suitable prizes will be awarded to All the Entries including some Porcelein  Tea/coffee Cups with their personal Nautic 12  boats in their colours and rego numbers on them.There are other prizes, so much so that I'm going to try for a prize to take home.

 The prizes will be given out at the 16ft club on Botany Bay again.

 We still haven't heard from any A2 owners who want to sail. Maybe they need time to get into gear?

A lot of the skippers have new sails and this is because of the amount of sailing they do?

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Well, I have no problems admitting that I have a huge respect for the ability of the Kiwi's to get things done.

And just to confirm this point even though there is a momentary departure from topic, it further impresses me that the Kiwi's were still challenging for the America's Cup last year in 2007, when the Aussies gave up on a serious challenge many long years ago.

Yes, the Kiwi's do make things happen, and I for one am happy about that. It is due in part in fact that it is because of the Nautic12 my interest in radio yachting has continued to grow. I never much cared for the other big boats. Except maybe the A's.

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Its funny Mav that we have had not one single enquiry from any of the A2 mob. They were all over us about a bloody name of a boat but when the crunch comes , you can't find them. Providential no doubt!

 And They don't appear to be doing anything, either.  Now what is it; Do we provide them with entertainment? Is it the TALL POPPY syndrome? For they seem to be ALL TALK and no action. And as we at NAUTIC 12s thought, that after 20 odd years that there was no A2 class was spot on AND that we could wait another 25 years AND still A2 has not happen! Aren't we lucky that someone from N12 happened along?

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Radio yachting is about wetting boats. All these classes come about from someone at sometime, starting a new class. Now if we don't start new classes, we will never a find the perfect class, will we.


Absolutely 100% support from me on this.

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No , You have got it a bit wrong Mav. The Australia day regatta in NSW is always on the Australia Day . There is about 7 or 8 classes that get there or more . This lets you have about 5 races for the entire day each. We at Nautic 12 just thought we would like to do our own thing on this particular day.

Radio yachting is about wetting boats. All these classes come about from someone at sometime, starting a new class. Now if we don't start new classes, we will never a find the perfect class, will we.

Your EC12. Let me say one more time that you can get your boat measured at your club!!! Simply by getting one of your mates to do the deed. Failing one of your mates doing it get the farmer at the end of the paddock to do it. You have got a set of rules follow these rules, write it down on what you have measured a get the measurer to sign it and send it in. Put a little note in saying why you had to do it that way. I bet they will be pleased to accept it?

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Henry,

I hope it goes well. You have my best wishes for a successful championship.

On this point, I note that once again, after you have published your intent to hold an N12 regatta, the NSW Radio Yachting Association have published their intent to hold a regatta the same weekend. This is I think the second time this has happened.

Are you being the leader by declaring you are holding a regatta and then the NSWRYA thinking, "Hey, that sounds like a good idea. Why don't we do that?" and then taking some of the steam out of your sails by holding a regatta on the same day, or do you think this is just coincidental?

But irrespective, of why's and wherefore's, I am happy to publish photo's of your regatta if you care to send me some.

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Now Mav , I must tell you that the NAUTIC 12 National championship[s are on on the 26th January 2008. At Ancient Mariner's club water , Scarborough Park Barton St Kogarah . Starting 10.00 am

 The event will be over one day only. This day is a public holiday in Sydney and Australia.

 The event will be raced in Scratch racing ONLY. Entry fee will be $5.00 and entrants must be a member of a ARYA club and also be a member of the Australian Nautic 12 Association.

 Special Prizes will be awarded to the entrants in this inaugrual event for this Nautic 12 class sponsored by Hairoil & Associates.

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Well thats interesting!


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The "intersting" bit here is the N12 has the same rig as the EC12

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Well Maverick, our Pond/ Lake is at Barton Street, Kogarah,which runs off Rocky Point Road, not far from Rockdale in Sydney. On the southern side of Sydney . Around Botany Bay. Look guys, if Capt. Cook found Botany Bay , I reckon you'se can?

 We sail Saturdays starting at 12 noon. Check with the radio officer to see if your got a clear channel or ring the Sec. first to make sure your got a clear channel to sail.

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I'm not that young but I have noticed in life that if something is pretty easy to do and is not too technical, most people will ignore it. Thinking they will remember it for any fool could! But the thing is Mav, this is the first thing they forget ..... the easy things.

 Now you need to write down things about your boat. Things such as the distance between the front top of the deck to the top of the mast? This is important so that you know the mast is in the right spot every time you go out. How far your booms ends are off the centreline of the deck when the boat is close hauled? How far your backstay is pulled up , etc? Then write it down , so you take all the guess work out of setting your boat up each time.

 Now , you know some times you go to the Pond and you have a fabulous day at sailing and your boat goes great. But then you dismantle it to go home and it is just the dickens to match that same tune again next time? Well you can if you have a record of it in your little notebook. You see doing this little thing can work wonders. Now make sure your Tape Measure is in your tool box just for these measurements.

 I bet you sailing improves straight away and your friends will be amazed how well your boat goes ALL THE TIME?

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On another subject (in Nautic 12s ) We are going to give it a try of letting A2s  come and sail with us on Saturdays. If you're reading this and you have a A2 please come down and sail with us. We sail EC12 rig.

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Well, knock me down and out with a feather!!weirdface

There is a God! worship.gif

This has got to be I believe, one of the  most significant positive happenings in the world of Australian radio yachting. I have actually been rendered quite speechless after reading the above post.

The potential benefits that this invitation implies, are I believe immeasurably beneficial to everyone involved in and with, not only 12-metres, but radio yachting in general.

I will return in due course, once the reality of this, what I personally consider to be a significantly positive event, has sunk in, with more words (surprise), but in the meantime, if there are any A2'ers out there, this is a golden opportunity that just begs to be taken advantage of.

Were it not for the fact that for me personally it would mean a round trip of about 2,000 km, I would be there next Saturday. I cannot be there, but if there are any A2'ers out there, in NSW within easy distance of Henry's club, my heartiest recommendation would be to join with that group to further enjoy your hobby/sport.

Perhaps Henry you might like to provide some specific details of the address, sailing times, etc., that may enable potential A2'ers to sail with you.

I am still gobsmacked. This is potentially a substantial part of a dream come true. Gotta go.

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Well Henry, I guess you have hit on the difference between a competitive sailor and one who just wants to get a boat in the water and doesn't care how badly, or how well, he/she sails, although I think that the group I sail with despite being social sailors only, tend to get a bit competitive at times and do take note of how they have set theiir boats up. 

There are both good and bad points to this I guess, 'cos I reckon that even if you are a social sailor, you are going to get a buzz out of beating the other guy, if you are sailing similar boats in similar conditions. And not only that, by being aware of how your boat is set up, you will I think, as a natural projection of that, start to become more aware of the rules of sailing, and that will make things even more enjoyable all 'round for everybody.

Henry, get onto those guys with the spiral bound notebooks and encourage them to record their settings. I hadn't thought of that approach but I can see how it could benefit even the occassional sailor. Actually, especially the occassional sailor if the last time he/she sailed the boat it went well.

Hmmmm, you've given me some ideas. Thank you.

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This ercks me no end to telling you Maverick. The secret about tuning boats??

 The thing is your got to take a Tape Measure with you and a pencil and paper. Thats it the secret is out!!!

 Now we did this with our fleet and  we even provided them all with a little wire hinged note book and do you know what happened? No? The blokes are still going slow!!  Its totally painful. We gave them the notebooks but they didn't fill them in. And when they go sailing they take a "guess" at tuning , and get it wrong each time.

 Still there is a positive side to it all we are wearing out gear alarmingly. You see Mav , were are sailing that much that sails and other gear is just wearing out. And most people in the club can tellyou what sort of sails work and what doesn't. What are the best set-ups etc.

 My mate Hairoil, just went through his third set of A rig sails in 18 months. So the sailing is fast and furious.

 On another subject (in Nautic 12s ) We are going to give it a try of letting A2s  come and sail with us on Saturdays. If you're reading this and you have a A2 please come down and sail with us. We sail EC12 rig.

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