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Maverick · Guru

RE: EC12 Hull Manufacturers

Maverick · Guru

Henry wrote:
Well this is a interesting developement that we have another Manufacturer. Could I ask when he applied to the Association for his Manufacturing rights? And shock / horror where is his advert on the National web page. And where has it been noted for all to see?

Well, I could be mistaken. It wouldn't be the first time. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, hoping, in my hope of hopes, there is an Australian connection to the International stage.

Henry · Senior Member

To answer your question about NZ and US boats. If the people who are actually interested in doing these international events have international type boats that will fix the problem in the short term. As I said these are few in actual numbers.

In the longer term , well that is something else again.These answers , we have time to consider these?

Henry · Senior Member

Well this is a interesting developement that we have another Manufacturer. Could I ask when he applied to the Association for his Manufacturing rights? And shock / horror where is his advert on the National web page. And where has it been noted for all to see? Do you think they might be trying to keep it a secret? And have you been ,(like a good Maverick) checking?

This is a bit like I was saying to you Maverick about this class. Its all smoke and mirrors.

This could be a really good class, it only has to go and do it right the first time and then it is done. They have done the rules twice and they are going to have another go and Maverick what happens "If" the unmentionable happens. How many go's do they have?It is a one design and by its nature , should be like falling of a bloody log.

And Maverick , don't bring NZ & US into the conversation because it only muddies the water. "We" can decide on what we do about these later. Just remember only about 2 or 3 boats actually sail these international events.

Maverick · Guru

In addition to information provided earlier, I provide the following information as a summary of ARYA approved manufacturers' if you are seeking to source an Australian built EC12.

Gillies YachtsContact: Ian Gilmourian@flinderstrading.com And the ECSAContact: Leigh GroveLGROVE@bigpond.com

Please note: My recommendation is that you discuss with each manufacturer their product. Especially as to how it relates to overseas offerings and eligibility to compete in International competitions, particularly in the long term. In the short term seems to me that any EC12 is acceptable, but I cannot see this happening indefinitely.

Maverick · Guru

Henry,

I have to agree with you here in most points

There is only one single solitary point I disagree with you.

Unfortunately, if we want our EC12's not only to be a national class, but to also be able to sail competitively in International competition, we cannot ignore the rules that have already been put in place in NZ and the USA.

It just seems idiotic to me that the Aussies would want to put in place a set of rules that apply to Australia only. That would surely make their boats inelligible to compete overseas.

That is not, or ever has been, what the America's Cup boats have been about.
It's always been about International competition. And the EC12 was created out of that philosophy.

Henry · Senior Member

Let me run a few things past your readers here on EC12s . It true I don't run one but I have an interest. There are a few things about this boat

Now before I get into a discussion , I want to say I am not critisizing anyone here. I have no axe to grind for I want to see them get settled in the class.

We can walk away and tell them its their problem. Its also our problem for we are all in an Association.

Lets get down to the nitty gritty here. I woud say you need a rule understood by all in the class. This cuts out the Lawyers. You want that rule simple and short. and you want ALL the boats to end up as near as possible the same. Anything short of that is just not going to work.

At this juncture forget about what NZ & US are doing for it not helpful at this stage. We will sort that lot later.

Grand father all existing boats so far . Don't play around here . Harshly treat any boat that has a wooden deck , for it is very possible that its fiberglass deck was removed at some stage. In other words, Ban them or put them in a 2nd division. But they are not to race with the F/G decked ones at any time.

All the boats that came out of a proper recognized mould acccept, from now on. All new boat from 1st Jan 08 have to come with a F/G deck fitted from the Manufactures or it can't be registered. By doing this , this cuts out all these cross section measurements.it also makes all the new boats a one design.

Fix the rules , be ruthless, if you can't get the one-design rules into 4 or 5 pages then it is too long.

-- Edited by Henry at 15:36, 2007-11-11

Henry · Senior Member

You may be dismissive on things being dated but you asked a question and that is the answer.Your starting to get the picture when you say NZ and US have not got our rules. These people have had a couple of goes. How hard is it writing a rule for one-design?

-- Edited by Henry at 05:32, 2007-11-10

-- Edited by Henry at 05:35, 2007-11-10

Maverick · Guru

Thanks for the response Henry

Yes, I had read Waves, and also the EC12 Newsletters on the ARYA website but as the newsletters in particular were getting a bit long in the tooth, I was not sure of the latest situation.

I was also not sure of the latest situation regarding manufacturers in Australia even being prepared to commit to manufacturing EC12 hulls due to the fact that the EC12 Rules situation is in limbo.

Currently Australian EC12 championships are sailed according to 199x rules, which as I understand it, are no longer in accord with the EC12 Rules now in force in New Zealand, the USA, and I believe another couple of countries.

Discussion on rules is most definitely another topic, but it was mentioned here in the context of the problems Australian Hull manufacturers must be having in not knowing what specification hull to produce, along with the costs associated of legally building or otherwise acquiring a mold, combined with the uncertainty of someone thinking about taking up the EC12 not knowing whether they will ultimately have a legal boat or not.

-- Edited by Maverick at 21:18, 2007-11-09

Henry · Senior Member

As far as I know there is only one Manufacturer in Australia and that is Gillies Yachts in Queensland. phone number 07 3263 6556.Ian Gilmore is the bloke to see , he's freindly and helpful.

Any number of people could have told you or it is in RADIO WAVES the ARYA newsletter.

EC12 s in general and my involvement in them: as you mentioned in these pages. Yes I did have something to do with getting them back together. At that time and since I have not been involved with them.

I did encourage people who had them Nationally to seek getting the class going again because it was there. As a ARYA member I feel it is every members duty to work towards the betterment of R/C yachting . The EC12s were languishing as a class through inaction. So I did something and have not regretted it. Yes I love to watch them but no I don't want to sail them.

Henry

Maverick · Guru

Hi folks!

Is there somewhere a complete listing of ARYA approved Australian manufacturers of EC12 hulls, showing name and contact details?

I think I have seen something somewhere, but for the life of me, I cannot remember where.

The above post is one I made on the closest thing we have to an officially sanctioned ARYA forum.

However, here, in this post, I would also like to extend my invitation to answer the question to the NZRYA as well. If that Association can provide details of NZ manufacturers, including contact details, of the "international" EC12 hull I would be deeply indebted.