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Maverick · Guru

RE: Promoting EC12's In Australia

Maverick · Guru

What happened to the mould that was actually sanctioned by the ARYA a couple of years back. An Australian supplier, who had been holding back until the ARYA finally made a decision?

Damn, but I forget the name of the manufacturer, but he was officially listed I believe. A name starting with "C" as I recall. And was even listed in 'Waves'.

waboats · Senior Member

Bob

Welcome back.. Hope you have enjoyed the Holiday.

Threats are usually the last resort of the defeated. If they had the bottle you wouldn't hear about it..

My Transparency Mantra stems from being an innocent bystander who watched in silence as a very good friend of mine got emotionally assasinated by the supposed Administration Guru's.. From there his life turned to crud & he never recovered. Pays a heavy price ..

Yep I felt some responsibility to speak up but I didn't, so to this day I do not condone nor tolerate any attempt to silence people who speak out against corrupt & incompetent management.. I do not fear them.. They have had their chance to speak up & to my Face on many an occasion, only to slink into the background & mumble their dislikes..

Weak & Soft Tools......, will never get the job done.... bleh

Mr Bell's call to me was just another cop-out where he didn't have the nerve to speak publicly & answer to the questions himself. I certainly didn't think that what I posted was wrong & confirmed by the WCRYC Secretary. I suppose being silent when a vote is called is just an accepted standard set by the system.

Say Nothing & you can never be held to account.. Can always claim misunderstanding..

I am most suspect of Private Messages that want me to stay silent in case Mr D uses the Big Stick to ARC UP.. Pandering to such behaviours in my opinion is completely wrong & Gutless.. What style of management can you expect if that is the alternative.

And then to shy away from any discussion only looks like an agenda at play. I could be wrong, but where has the EC12 Submission gone in the last few weeks.. My Guess is no matter how much you pander, absolutely Nothing was nor is achieved... A total waste of everybody's time & energy...

Even the MM AGM was done & dusted over a 2 week on-line discussion & Voting system. At the end of the Day the Members have spoken & that is the end of it for another 12 months. We move on... And Forward... EC12 could learn from the TOY Class... I think the EC12 Class should stop telling us what a great thing we may have in the future & Get on with doing something... Stop pandering to the outgoing who really don't give a bugger.

So we now have nothing but silence on the EC12 & I suppose building one isn't as great an idea it once was..

Couldn't get a new NZ or US Mould registered & what chance an older boat. Located away from Measurers & then the whole problems becomes ALL Too Bloody Hard..

Death comes easily to us all.. It is unavoidable .. But Life & Living One is so much harder.. confuse

Cheers & Keep Well

John

Viking · Veteran Member

-- Edited by Viking on Friday 30th of December 2011 05:10:31 PM

waboats · Senior Member

Think my reply is better as part of ARYA Relevance thread.. Oops double post by accident...

http://modelyachtingaustralia.activeboard.com/t43963637/relevance-of-the-arya-in-todays-society/

-- Edited by waboats on Saturday 1st of October 2011 11:59:00 AM

Maverick · Guru

Viking wrote:
Hello Maverick,
Unfortunately I am no longer in a position to provide promotion and/or information related to the EC12 Class in Australia.
I suggest you direct all questions to the AEC12OA executive.
Bob

-- Edited by Viking on Friday 30th of September 2011 08:22:09 PM

Hi Bob,

I am really dispappointed that you are no longer in a position, for whatever reason, to provide promotion and/or information related to the EC12 Class in Australia.

Your posts have been very welcome, and very valuable, and I really hope that your decision is not based on the current malaise affecting, not only this class, but radio yachting in this country generally!

And the following comments have nothing to do with you, but I am getting to the point where, after about 12 or so years now, of trying to improve things in the radio yachting world, through my websites and forums', and nothing much having changed, my head is really bleeding badly, from its contact with that proverbial brick wall.

I am tired of people spitting the dummy beacuse they have taken general comments personally, I am tired of the continuing incompetence of the ARYA to promote radio yachting in this country, I am tired of the individual member's of every State club or organisation not giving a stuff about their sport, about their abrogation of responsibilities to entrenched committee members whose attitudes largely belong in the stone age of civilisation.

This sport needs people people who are prepared to put their mouths where behind the back comments reside. This sport need people with courage. If your club member complains to you about something, just say to them, tell the committee!

But we all know that never happens, because those back-stabbing members never did have and maybe never will have, the courage to speak out openly!

And then these same people complain that the sport is dying!!! For F**** sake!

The problem is, that apart from a few select courageous individuals, the majority of sailors are complacent zombies, sailing every week, never increasing their rating by more than one or two points, never caring about anything else but their own position, within their own little local club. Within their own little zombie world! And never saying boo publicly about anything, but behind the scenes, tearing strips of everything and everyone.

The contemptibles! The cowards! The gutless ones! The takers! The Users! And nary a one amongst them prepred to stand up for anything more than their own selfish interests. The pariah's.

And I make no apology for stating how it is!

I have publicly put myself on the line for the last 10-15 years. I have been personally threatened by an implied act of violence against me by a senior committee member of the ARYA, because of my dissenting views. I have never been, nor will I ever, be intimidated by threats.

But my patience wears thin, because the masses have no courage. And I may in the not too distant future just shut down my website, this forum, my blog.

If nobody else gives a sh**, then I have finally realised, that maybe, neither should I!

waboats · Senior Member

Harry

I hear you loud & clear...

I own 4 IOM's (several out on Loan) & 10 (MM's).. I like to fiddle with bits & pieces & tend to Sail for Fun not Plastic Dust Collectors.

Going for a friendly Sail Tomorrow.. Can't handle the Stress of the Grand Final.. Been a Cats fan since 1977...

I was asked in my conversation with Mr Bell where the MM sails & what clubs they were.. That's all he seemed to want to know.. Groups small as they are sail at Bunbury, Busselton, Geraldton, Kunnunurra, Albany, Ellenbrook, Mandurah & a few other locations in WA.. One Caravan Group have 6 Boats & travel all over stopping & sailing wherever they can... A good selling point for the boat.. Don't take up much room..

Mostly 3 or 4 guys getting together to enjoy a chat & a sail (maybe a beer).. blankstare

Some of the Guys want to try the Racing Caper & thought WA association was the proper way to go. After the weekend I'm not so sure anymore..

And the feedback I get from the Guys & Gals is why bother with them if they can't say what Benefits are in it for them if they choose to Join the ARYA system.

All I see is money going out but nothing coming back in return.. Qld Association fee is $8, WA $25 & I get a very nice & professional Plastic Membership Card & R/W posted from Qld.. Get nothing from WA..

I know this is EC12 thread but I think the problems sit with all classes & we also should be able to see where our money is being spent.

$8000 pa on Insurance .. Who's Crown Jewels are we protecting?

Radio Waves would be better Electronic.. All cost effective measures that free up funds to Market the Hobby.. In a Proper way...

We have CHOGM soon so the MM invite to Government House is delayed while Lizzie is in town.. Rescheduled for June 2012..

Maybe this year the ARYA & RSAWA Boys might think to lend a hand.

End of Rant.. cry

-- Edited by waboats on Friday 30th of September 2011 10:43:30 PM

-- Edited by waboats on Friday 30th of September 2011 10:46:31 PM

Viking · Veteran Member

-- Edited by Viking on Friday 30th of December 2011 05:09:18 PM

Gesst · Veteran Member

John, build it and they will come, after all everyone loves a good looking boat. After all the bullcrap I have been told there is now no way that I am going to be giving up on my EC12's, all three of them. In fact the build is still coming along quite nicely although I am a little frustrated in getting fittings and other materials but slowly inch by inch I am making progress. As previously stated, I imported my EC from New Zealand and I don't regret that decision one iota, in fact I would urge anyone that is contemplating an EC12 to do what I did because in New Zealand I was treated like a welcome customer by a very friendly class secretary. A Soling? ........ ummmmmm ... no, A friend of mine has one that he bought new as a kit and then assembled it with help from the local Soling guys here in St. Georges Basin and after having given it the once over I think that there is no way that I can own such a toy, regardless of how well it may sail. It is very fragile and I do mean VERY fragile, there are cases of the keel falling off because they were not supported in the cradle. The styrene just gave out when the weight of the lead took over.

After I get the EC12 up and running I may turn my attention to an RG65, for flat water I fancy the Alcaravan shape and for the rougher water I do rather like the Apsara shape. You had mentioned the lack of a suitable bulb was a limiting factor for you, quite a few of the RG plans also include bulb dimensions. Easy to shape some foam and then make a mould out of either Plaster of Paris or even quick set cement, lead is had rather easily from either a tyre fitter or from a rifle range if you can get access. Another boat that impresses me is the Canterbury J, I first read about it here on the forum and like the EC it too is more suitable to weedy and shallow ponds. When I win Lotto I am going to get me one those bag arse J's they sail in the States eight to nine feet in length and carrying up to four thousand square inches of sail.

If I were to start a club there is no way in hell I would affiliate with anyone that couldn't or wouldn't do anything in return for taking my money. With my three EC's we will obviously be under six boats so as you state no club, but what is to stop three or even more friends from sailing their boats in a competitive manner if they so choose? I surely don't need an ARYA type of body telling me or not telling me anything that I couldn't work out for myself.

Harry

waboats · Senior Member

Well Here is perhaps my biggest annoyance with the ARYA System & how it doesn't Promote anything other than the 4 International Classes

Safe to say the numbers in several of these classes are falling away & some State Champpionships can barely manage to get the 6 competitors. In years to come these boats may all but disappear.

Fuel Costs higher, Small Cars, Drought & Less water in our lakes etc.. A few of the problems we face.

The Biggest Problem however is the Entrenched ARYA Attitude to establishing new groups.

There just isn't a way into the Sport & Hobby for the Novice other than to pay the excessive prices for an IOM. Most walk away & those that do try things out the majority don't stay long.

All that I hear when anybody enquires about starting something new is to go & start a club then come back to us.. The ARYA System isn't geared to promote & support new groups.

Just try to start anything new in WA & you get stonewalled. Having discussed the issue with at least 6 RSAWA Delegates they only have same old answers.. Start a club then come back & pay us your fees.. Nothing to help from the beginning..

What person in their right mind would or could start a club with minimal support & only a few numbers. Less than 6 & you can't get Club Recognition & you can never drop below this.. So realistically you need a minimum of 10 to start & all of these need to be committed..

I was looking at obtaining an EC12 & a Soling and try to get some interest in these classes going over here in WA.. Maybe even the RG65..

But what support does anybody get... The same Old Answers.. Answers that simply do not work in this day & age..

So I'm left with shelving the EC12 idea, 1 Less to worry about & likely to result in Zero promotion of this Class nor anything else over here @ the centre of the RS Universe.

disbelief ...

-- Edited by waboats on Friday 30th of September 2011 03:43:45 PM

-- Edited by waboats on Friday 30th of September 2011 03:45:31 PM

Maverick · Guru

Hi Viking!

Is it inappropriate of me to ask in which part of Victoria there has been a boat placed?

As far as I knew, from all sources, I was the only owner of an EC12 in Victoria, apart from a short period of ownership of another EC12 owned by a member of the Patterson Lakes club...

Viking · Veteran Member

-- Edited by Viking on Friday 30th of December 2011 05:08:51 PM