John, it is necessary to understand that this policy is not one that will directly affect all International classes. If you recall the policy is referred to as "Interim National Class Association Policy'.
There is a subtle distinction there as you would no doubt appreciate in the semantics. Underline the words "National Class"
You see it is a concoction that is specifically designed to have ARYA adopt a policy in respect of those classes that fall under the heading of "National Class". The EC12 is I believe the only class that has had this categorization applied to it. Essentially it categorizes a class that ARYA formally recognizes and that is sailed in at least 4 states in the country(a requirement that the EC12 no longer can claim) but is not an International Class. I think that I am correct in this assumption that we in the EC12 class are in a majority of one when it comes to being a "National Class". All International classes are outside the net.
This is why I came to the conclusion that this policy was specifically designed to address the threat of me and where I want to take the EC12 class. I do not know of any other class that falls under this veil.
Straw
Peter
I would tend to disagree.. The word interim can now be done away with as they have voted officially.
What I find curious with the ARYA is the constant desire to segregate everybody & everything,.
All the time not having any Constitutional weight behind anything it does. Why excuses are made for its' conduct are beyond me.
I guess it is more the desire to avoid being shown as a mob of bumbling fools who cannot get the house in order.
There is No Constitutional Support to what constitutes a "National Class"
In fact there are limitations on where it exists anyway.. The Recognised Classes are by default also International Classes as are ALL Classes of Yachts within Australia
ARYA Constitution 2A says it all.
So on a simple basis of Logic, I would suggest that they have brought into place a Policy that WILL be Open to Challenge if they try to Enforce it.
The IOM is a recognised class in Australia & therefore the terms of the Policy unfortunately do affect how it must now conduct its' affairs in Australia..
There are no Exclusions in the Policy.
Or should we now also stipulate that IOM, 10r, A & M's are no Longer National Classes..
This whole thing should be an embarassment to whoever put it together then bluffed people into voting for it.
And when it comes to Proxy Voting I sincerely hope it was done correctly & not just a private communication. By the sounds of it the delegate attending the Meeting (NSW) has not been supplied with a voting proxy endorced by the NSW Executive.. Then the Policy Fails as it has not reached majority.
15. PROCEEDINGS AT MEETINGS
(a) The quorum required for a general meeting of the Association shall be a delegate from each of four States either in person or represented by proxy.
17. VOTING RIGHTS
(a) At any general meeting of the Association each State Council or Club appointed to act as such in accordance with Rule 4(c) shall be entitled to cast two (2) votes in the manner provided in Rule 17(b).
(b) Each Council and Club appointed to act as such shall appoint two (2) delegates to any general meeting of the Association, each of whom may cast one (1) vote on any matter.
WHICH 4 STATES...
And what a Contradiction S15 Singular Reference to A DELEGATE & S17 Plural...
More Constitutional Balls-Ups... Geeze what a mess.. Who wrote & approved this Carp.. And who allows this Carp to continue...
But being a band of Tin Pot Dictators what is the point in highlighting their inadequacies..
They need to Get the House in Oder & stop the constant self indulgence..
Has there been any improvement because of a New Executive.. I think NOt.. Voting on past executive Agendas..
-- Edited by waboats on Thursday 26th of January 2012 12:07:53 PM
-- Edited by waboats on Thursday 26th of January 2012 12:13:43 PM
Unfortunately no EC12 business was officially mentioned at the AGM.
Col Durran was elected as the EC12 NCC
No mention of the EC12 class rules was made.
Lindsay Walker was elected president, no new secretary was elected and I believe there is some fill in stop gap measure being indulged by Ken Dobbie until a suitable replacement is found (I personally found this outcome to be most unsatisfactory as nobody really wins with this outcome, particularly the sport and all I can say is that Lindsay is going to be one really busy guy until that particular hole gets plugged), Bill Clancy was elected vice president, our old friend Weisman beat me for the registra's job 3 - 2 (go figure that one) and all the other posts remain unchanged as I understand.
I can reliably inform you that the outcome of the EC12OA submission will be a real test of whether there is indeed a wind of change blowing through ARYA or whether it will just be another case of business as usual. You of all people would know what it is like to have "the mark of Caine" as I do. People have an aversion to change and having someone like me running around out there kicking up dust and challenging the status quo by advocating change, unfortunately draws attention and some people are affronted by such behaviour.
Its remarkable isn't it how any advancements in any field actually happen to manifest themselves??
Straw
PS, I almost forgot, would you believe that that moronic Interim National Class Association policy that was cobbled together by Ken Dobbie than for no other reason than to make a last dich attempt to subvert me and what I am attempting to create for the EC12 class, actually got up 3-2 with QLD and SA being the two dissenting votes. Gary Bromley was the NSW state delegate and he was provided with no instruction from his state as to how he was to vote and after a quick phone call (I know tis to be true because I loaned him my phone to make the call) to one of the NSW state executives was told he was free to vote according to his belief and actually did vote against the motion until Dobbie pulled a rabbit out of his hat with a private communication sent by Owen Jarvis advocating that he wished to support the motion and so Gary was overuled and the vote went against us. Another prime piece of putting mouth in action before engaging brain!!
If Lindsay doesn't get that thing overturned in due course, that little gem will return to bite them on the derriere for sure. And the majority of them don't actually see that thing for what it really is and that it is a simple continued raw grab for power against entities like our OA and similar organizations that may come into existence in the future. Simply outrageous in my view. Thats the scary bit!
-- Edited by Straw on Sunday 22nd of January 2012 11:19:47 PM
-- Edited by Straw on Sunday 22nd of January 2012 11:25:25 PM
-- Edited by Straw on Sunday 22nd of January 2012 11:29:15 PM
What a disgraceful organisation the ARYA is! Absolutely unbelievable!
And if the Secretary has proxy voting authority, should not he have made that known, instead of letting the poor NSW representative end up in such an embarrassing situation! So what was the point of the NSW representative attending the meeting?
But while the Secretary should have made known he had the proxy, the fault is not his. The fault is with the NSW State body, where people do not talk to each other.
And still, it seems that the State representatives are there just to rubber stamp the Secretary's directives!
Nobody cares!
What a disgrace of actions by committee and council! No wonder the ARYA never release minutes!
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Thank you for the Update on the Association Policy.
This will be a big test for the Integrity & Consistency of the ARYA. The scope is not limited to EC12 as you would agree.
I wonder how the IOM Class will now be able to Function with their constant Rule Changes..
Can Australia now fit within any Class Structure with the restrictions placed on it by this Policy..
I sincerely doubt there is any One Individual on the Executive that can explain the words written clearly & without the need to hide behind veiled Alternative Intentions.
New Changes to Apendix E being proposed at the moment.. The Policy is now in Force so my guess is it will be avoided because it doesn't fit the agenda.
The ARYA is an Embarassment when it puts things like this in place without first knowing the Ramifications & The Legal Obligations such Policies impose on Associations like itself...
John, it is necessary to understand that this policy is not one that will directly affect all International classes. If you recall the policy is referred to as "Interim National Class Association Policy'.
There is a subtle distinction there as you would no doubt appreciate in the semantics. Underline the words "National Class"
You see it is a concoction that is specifically designed to have ARYA adopt a policy in respect of those classes that fall under the heading of "National Class". The EC12 is I believe the only class that has had this categorization applied to it. Essentially it categorizes a class that ARYA formally recognizes and that is sailed in at least 4 states in the country(a requirement that the EC12 no longer can claim) but is not an International Class. I think that I am correct in this assumption that we in the EC12 class are in a majority of one when it comes to being a "National Class". All International classes are outside the net.
This is why I came to the conclusion that this policy was specifically designed to address the threat of me and where I want to take the EC12 class. I do not know of any other class that falls under this veil.
