And I understand where you are at. And I know a little more patience is required, but hopefully, all will be good, without having to wait that much longer.
Ever since I bought my EC12, all those years ago now, I can only describe, as a shambles, ARYA's administration of this class. And I will trust you that given your respect for the persons now at the head of the ARYA, that we will not need to wait much longer before frustrations will finally come to an end.
But I can imagine, that if results don't come soon, all those bottled up frustrations spanning many years, decades, even, will surface, and possible mean the end of the EC12 in this country.
So I wish you, and all concerned, a speedy resolution of outstanding items, and then prompt action to get things moving in the new direction.
Onward and upward!
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Maverick Model Yachting - The Only Way To Go! Secret Alias - Don Leitis
I think Henry has asked a very good question regarding boat registrations.
And I, personally, think that Henry's question asks touches on issues, that go beyond, and concern, registration of boats that the AEC12OA will be producing.
And I for one am very interested in knowing what the AEC12OA has in store for past boat owners.
I understand that you are waiting on ARYA sanctioning of, something that I am not exactly sure of at the moment, but I hope it is of benefit to all who are interested in the EC12 boats.
And Straw, please correct me if I am wrong, but I would expect that you and your committee must already have plans of what you want to do, irrespective of ARYA approval or not.
I just think that persons interested in the EC12 Class, would love to know what those plans might be!
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Maverick Model Yachting - The Only Way To Go! Secret Alias - Don Leitis
Don you are spot on on all counts. We will reveal our thoughts on all these questions once we understand what the precise nature of our future relationship will be with ARYA. Just for everyone's information, we have been persuaded at this point to procede on the basis of goodwill with ARYA.
This is largely due to my respect for Lindsay Walker the new ARYA president and the vice president Bill Clancy. I have grreat respect for both these men and I trust them. So when the new ARYA "National Class Association Policy" that Ken Dobbie dreamed up became official ARYA policy in Hobart this year, we were obliged to at least attempt to comply with its demands.
I have to say that this document is not well constructed and I perceive sections of it being prospective stumbling blocks but have the assurance of possible future ammendment if that becomes necessary. For now however, we are proceeding with the first compliance which is the need of ARYAto assure themself that our constitutional agenda is a prescription that they approve of. I know all this sounds quite demanding and invasive but in the interests of hoping we can achieve our agenda as promised to the members with the prospect of us remaining under the insurance umbrella of ARYA and have our regattas sanctioned by them and posted to their website etc etc, I have decided that it was at least worth a shot. I remain convinced that until I come to the conclusion that it is not possible to work constructively with ARYA, then I will do whatever I can to conclude the changeover of control and authority over the class to the AEC12OA.
So in short at the risk of repeating myself add nauseum, we have a couple more weeks to wait until we get word back from ARYA regarding their review of our revised constitution. At that point I shall contact all members with a complete run down of where we are and what I propose as the way forward.
Straw
-- Edited by Straw on Monday 12th of March 2012 07:54:33 AM
-- Edited by Straw on Monday 12th of March 2012 05:15:18 PM
Steve, although a little premature, we are considering keeping a register of boats that we shall be producing. There will be a lot to consider but all ideas and proposals will be put before the membership once we have the final ARYA approval and acknowledgement of our authority in respect of all matters EC12.
No doubt you have a few ideas of your own and it would be interesting to hear them. You are right however when you touch on these matters as these are some of the considerations that we will be obliged to consider.
For now though I am sweating on ARYA's deliberation and hopeful approval of our constitutional agenda, as only at that time will we see our way clear to start the final formal handover to the AEC12OA. When that is complete then my way will be clear to provide the members with a complete update of our position and what will next be done and when the new boats will be available.
Straw, I, for one, I would like to see your continued presence in these forums'.
And without putting words in Steve's mouth, I think, based on comments he has made, would also like you to keep up a presence here. And I am sure there are many other's who would share those sentiments.
Straw, you know the saying, You can keep all of the people happy, some of the time, You can keep some of the people happy, all of the time, But you cannot keep all of the people happy, all of the time!
And therein, lay the lesson. No matter what you, or I, or anybody else says, there will never be agreement with all things all of the time by all people. But for those that dissent, let them state their case clearly, and without personal attack, and suggest a remedy to rectify the issue that they disagree with with.
I mean, how simple is that?
Straw, whilst I can understand your reason for asking for a poll, given the oft times illogical, abusive, and offensive cops to the chin you have taken in recent times, by often unreasonable, and possibly insane persons, and those with possibly their own hidden agenda's, I do not see an approval, or otherwise rating, poll as being of any real benefit, for two main reasons.
Reason 1: Polls are anonymous. And nobody has to justify their vote. And the voters are hidden by a cloak of anonymity. Reason 2: Contributor's to forums' are very few and far between, with very few being prepared to state their cause. Most being terrified, of what other people might say, if they made a comment. That idiot, Tony Blabbot, has referred to some people in the Labor Party, as the faceless men. Well, the truth, in my own personal experience, has been, that model yachting in Australia is full of these so called 'faceless men'. To give these 'faceless men' an opportunity to vote, when they otherwise contribute absolutely nothing to this sport, is something I vehemently oppose. My philosophy is, ...You don't speak up, you don't get a right to vote!
Straw, please come back! We, the sport, not just EC12's, need people that are prepared to do something to promote it. To speak out about it! I think you have to accept that you will not be right ALL of the time, as I, do not expect to be right ALL of the time, and people you interact with also need to be aware of this, and to also realise, that they themselves, also, will not be right ALL of the time...
Geezus, people only have to realise, that in exams, NO ONE is expected to get 100%!
Perfection, is not something the human race is endowed with!
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Maverick Model Yachting - The Only Way To Go! Secret Alias - Don Leitis
Steve and Don, thank you for the stiff moral support. I really appreciate it. I thought that it appropriate that I respond and not ignore your comments. I had intended to withdraw from commenting on here in respect of OA dealings. In the face of the then strident criticism I could not see any point to carrying on and it seemed that whatever I had to speak about was not necessarily welcomed by some and it made clear to me that I had some other personal agenda and that I was a rank amateur when it came to association and constitutional issues.
That well may be true but I see a bigger picture than that and Steve and Don have struck a bit of a nerve with me with some of their comments.
I have to say that I am reluctant participant now having a bit of bark knocked off but I suppose if people in the majority would like me to stay and post on here from time to time then I shall if I can see some sort of straw poll (pardon the pun he he) of the members on here indicating their wish that I do remain.
Let us see who out there wishes me to continue on here and who doesn't. Perhaps Don you can organize some sort of a poll?
I don't think you need to apologise for anything. We all, being fallible human beings, will, from time to time, make comments that others may consider unsuitable. But ****, that is life. No one is perfect. And let him, who is without sin, cast the first stone...
I for one, appreciate that you are there, leading the charge, so to speak.
Which is more than many others have been, or are, prepared to do. I have no time for people that just criticise, without offering a solution, as that merely indicates to me that their mentality is that of a two year old child, who is capable of doing just that, ...criticising without offering a solution.
I expect more from adults. And especially adults, who, in my flawed opinion, should be participating in this hobby/sport, for enjoyment! To ease some of the other stresses of life. To ease them, ...not increase them by unnecessary vitriol.
There has been, in the past, one particular member of this particular forum, who has engaged in concentrated personal attacks on individuals, myself included, when my only sin, was to moderate comments that did not fit the objectives, clearly stated, of the behaviour required in these forums'. This member has always threatened legal action against all and sundry, if they did not meet, and to agree with, his terms. In plain terms, he is a bully.
And as is my publicly stated right, I have banned this member from all forums' here, at my discretion.
This hobby/sport, is already struggling to find the new members it needs for growth.
And whilst I will accept critical postings of what is wrong with the administration of this hobby/sport, I am not prepared to put up with rants by individuals, who only criticise, and offer nothing in return! I do not want to sail my boats in the company of a two year old!
Straw, we all fly off the handle from time to time... It is only human to do so!
And Straw, despite all your self-confessed failings, , , you are still prepared to be the person at the coal-face. And I don't see anyone else putting up their hand to replace you, and / or, to take on the onerous task you have voluntarily assumed.
Let the critics, put up, or shut up!...
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Maverick Model Yachting - The Only Way To Go! Secret Alias - Don Leitis
Gents, as you all might have noticed, there has been more consternation on this forum again and regretably I have to accept some responsibilty for contributing to that situation. This in no way should reflect on Don Leitis who has generously provided this facility and I believe many of us have let him down, myself included.
As a result of these developments I have come to the heartfelt conclusion that these types of forums can often lead people down dark and unfortunate paths. I believe I have been guilty of this.
I have noted that my experience on these types of venues has often not been a good experience and it has caused me and some others a great deal of pain and frustration, often leading us to say and do things which we may wish had been done differently.
Most of you would have noted the recent verbal intercourse between myself and an unidentified poster going by the name of "Freddy". I indicated that I thought I knew who Freddy was in real life, but it really doesn't matter who he is, I just can't excuse my behaviour and the resultant way I felt in the wake of that exchange.
I have come to the conclusion that I have not advanced the cause of the EC12 class one iota by posting on here, and although there have been a lot of people who have leaped to my defense in response to the posts coming back at me, that does not really help me coming to terms with my own lack of control, despite the gratitude I feel about their support.
Without naming names, just tonight I received a phone call from a fellow poster who may or may not have been Freddy and I behaved very rudely. I was angry I admit, and frustrated to boot and rammed what I said down the fellow's throat and then abruptly hung up on him. It matters not whether I agreed with him or not, it was my own reaction that concerned me and I have been stewing about it for some hours before deciding to place this post.
I should not have been so intolerent which is a criticism that Freddy and others have made of me and I suspect that this may well be a character flaw which I demonstrate from time to time of which I am none too proud. This behaviour that I demonstrate also flies in the face of my spiritual beliefs as well and makes a mockery of certain beliefs that I hold dear. I am none to proud of that either!
In no way do I resile from my comments about the EC12 and the OA. I am simply an enthusiast trying to do something with the class and in radio sailing that has not been attempted before or certainly not in the recent past. It is true that I am a layperson with this stuff and I am trying to just muddle through this process as best I can and my only satisfaction will come from achieving the task and making the EC12 class grow and continue to be successful and take its rightful place alongside all other classes.
So I will continue to do this as best as I know how and confine my activity to serving the member's interests until such time as I depart from the role and hand it to someone else. This is the mandate that I have been given by the members and I suspect that anything less than that would be letting them down.
In conclusion I wish to indicate that despite my disagreement with the sentiments expressed by some about the OA and its objectives and the way we are going about OA business, I nevertheless am sorry for the manner in which I have conducted myself from time to time and to those that I may have offended I apologize.
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