Edited the Post but still Vile in Content. Insulting women this way is very very poor.
Your Post remains totally self-indulgent & riddled with personal attacks . Mr Leitis does have poor standards. No wonder the postings he craves are so low.
Why anybody would support such an insulting person as you is beyond me.. Gloating as you do I would say you take the courage of Internet Anominity quite seriously. Hiding behind a screen. Is it raining where you are...
You will find that I have been a member of this Forum for perhaps longer than you. I too had an ID & chose to remove myself from your vulgarity.
And then you start your sickly sweet dose of pretence you are not the same beast you were several weeks, months & years ago.
I chose not to post because of your behaviour. Any question is always met with reams of waffle & unhelpful distractions. Ask Mr Leitis he sent me many STALKING Emails (as he puts it).
Can't even direct a perosn to the simple costs of a boat & what is actually needed.. A shopping List perhaps..
One & The same as waboats.. What a dillusional notion but one that can only suit your purpose.. Can you convince Mr Leitis to now cancel my access..
Hi Don, yes I hear what you are saying but how much of this abuse and character assasination is a person supposed to cop without some self defense being invoked. We have all witnessed the commentary and I think that after the infamous Christmas greeting post, we all could see how far the standards had sunk, to the extent trhat I had other people rising to my defense as a result, and then finally having to witness your ultimate action in closing the thread!!
I can't help the fact that there are people out there with other agendas which on the face of it appear to be negative and destructive. I never cease to marvel at the extent of the stupidity of some who open mouth (or keyboard) before engaging brain!! But I have eluded to that type of behaviour in previous postings.
This latest attack via this "taz666" person is yet another inane observation by a person who does not obviously have command of all the facts about what has been going on in the EC12 class in recent years, has not lent any support to what the majority of owners have subscribed to via the Owners Association, have not supported the purchase of the new American standard hull mould that we have now imported into Australia, have not contributed one iota of support to someone who has been prepared to "have a go" in the interests of the class!! And that is just for starters!
All they can do is bludge on other people's effort. You know the old addage that referrs to 20% of the people doing 80% of the work!!
I know, I know, I can hear you saying, Peter that is all well and good, but don't attack the punters on here. Well I have to say that I hear you and am happy to comply as long as there is a level playing field. Don I cannot abide fools easily and in these recent cases, we have had any number of them on here "in spades". I will not resile from indulging in self defense from these people and I would respectfully reassert the adjective of "moronic" in describing these type of individuals and the sentiment they display.
From what we see of recent posts by these we observe that one is going to go back big boat racing and put his "3 boats back on the top shelf". To him I say "bon voyage" and the recent "blow in" taz666, well obviously there is some sort of family connection there to Flahive if indeed taz666 and WAboats are not in truth one and the same person. (You may have noted that taz666 has not revealed their true identity anywhere and it is mighty coincidental don't you think that taz666 appeared just as WAboats disappeared. Only Flahive referred to me as Mr Straw, so you will forgive me for being a little bit suspicious)
Do you see anywhere where I have not clearly identified myself or a direct email link if people want to contact me directly even if just for the purpose of throwing mud?
Well enough said. I will try harder not to respond to this type of behaviour in future Don and only use the facility to provide "hidden agenda" information to my inner circle of mates via this clandestine and secretive public chat forum!!
As far as the layout of my text is concerned I apologize. I am actually placing 3 lines of space between paragraphs. I hope the layout of this post is better. If not I may have to contact you to sort out the problem. I have gone into the member's section and checked the settings. All seems to be OK there. The only thing I can see is that the posting window has the "Visual" setting highlighted and I cannot select "HTML". I don't know whether that has any bearing on the problem? Its weird because when I click on "show preview" button it shows the body of text paragraphs separated correctly but when I hit the "submit post" button it reproduces all "mongey". We'll see what happens to this post.
Good to read your comments Straw, but might I request that you just hit the 'enter' key twice at the end of paragraphs! Would just make the post easier to read.
And perhaps, it is now time to let go of comments such as morons, etc..
I believe you are capable of being proactive, and positive, and can only suggest that we all approach 2012 in a fresh and positive state of mind!
As far as past posts go, might I add, that one thing that seems to have been a common thread, is that your information is made available to selected individuals, rather than the general populace. I don't know whether this is true ot not.
By the comments I have read, it seems there are many people out there who do not belong to any clubs, associations, etc., and I cannot blame them, due to the chaotic history this class has been a part of.
With the above comment in mind, might I respectfully suggest that information be made available to ALL interested EC12 sailors, whether the belong to to any clubs or associations, or not. I think this is critical!
If my thinking is right, I suspect that there will be people out there, with no current affiliations to any group, but might change their minds, when they see the results of what you have said, you will make public.
Let's work to a HAPPY, COOPERATIVE and PROSPEROUS 2012!
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Maverick Model Yachting - The Only Way To Go! Secret Alias - Don Leitis
Don (Cow****y) I am pleased to hear that you think there is some scope for this forum to be used for more positive discussion. As you may have noted there still seems to be some morons around here with extremely low intellect who seem hell bent to vent their spleen by attacking me personally. They are so moronic that they cannot even spell correctly, let alone quote me accurately!!
This will however not deter me from using this medium to disseminate information and news as it comes to hand. This is the real purpose why Maverick put this site together and he will not tolerate small minded individuals who embark on personal vendettas against other posters and spread their negative poison on here!
It appears that those persons are more preoccupied with me than with productive discussion about the boat and its future. Oh well it takes all types I suppose.................. hell, some are so gutless that they do not even identify themself!
I have chosen to give this site another go despite earlier assertions that I believed that I would not be back, as I believe there is more goodwill out there than mindless character assasination merchants with their delicate sensibilities on display. So in light of that and being mindful of Don Leitis being vigilant as moderator and prepared to boot anyone off here that is not prepared to use the site for that which it is intended, I look forward to more fruitfull discussion about the class and developments as they emerge in future.
I agree that it is dificult to attract new young sailors into the sport as there are a lot of barriers involved particularly in the area of cost. However I believe that our new boat is going to address some of these challenges where a strict "one design" class and a mould that is owned by the owners association will solve the age old problem of a new boat being made redundant by a new design coming out every 5 minutes like we see in the IOM class for instance, and because we owners own the mould. We do not have to charge commercial rates for our boats but can provide them a little above cost!! I submit that this will be a heady ****tail for new entrants to our sport to consider when choosing a boat to become involved with which can only be in our favour.
I am pleased to say that one of my sons has decided to embrace the sport and the younger son is also now making noises about getting a boat also. So it will be interesting to see how the future unfolds but one thing i can say is that radio sailing will be the better for it when our owners association gets into the production of the new boats. It is only a matter of time and we will roll right over the morons of this world. Unfortunately however it is true about such people, they are like the "poor", they will always be with us!
Straw
-- Edited by Straw on Saturday 31st of December 2011 10:20:37 AM
My First post & may I say that it is suspicious that on so many occasions you seem to say you are going never to grace these pages again, but as always seem to float back to the surface.. Only 2 things do this.
Your previous poor standard & abuse of position made me contact Mr Leitis directly. He asked for Feedback & He got some.. None too pleased he posted my emails. Not all mind you.
Your behaviour for a grown man is very poor & the constant jibes at others is not worthy of any reasonable person contributing to your style & obvious game playing.
I will post here a snippet of my discussions with Mr Leitis;
From: R ***********> To: Don Leitis <dleitis@yahoo.com.au> Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Posting on EC12 Forum
Don
I am more in support of the few that oppose Mr Straw.
Especially when I see such things as this, considered acceptable behaviour.
I break my assertion to not post here again, .... .... I completely sympathize with the sentiments of Albert Einstein when he mused about some people saying
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; I'm not sure, however, about the universe". I shall not be making further comment on this and will provide ARYA the courtesy of attending to this matter as they deem appropriate.Straw
And then he posts a regular insulting Jibe.. Just to get under the skin of others that are asking questions. A deliberate ploy to degenerate what was otherwise a sensible & easy to follow discussion. I don't think it is appropriate to selectively delete one or two postings & leave a disjointed & unfairly slanted end product. Mr Straw is clearly the problem here, just have to read his postings, to see a very sick mind at work.
Mr Straw whoever he or she is needs to take a good look at themselves & accept that lots of people are watching & are turned off by such bad behaviour. If he is trying to get people to vote for him I wish him luck.
My boys can make their own decisions & I will not guide them to Boats because of such people as Mr Straw. Nor will their Grandfarther who sailed these boats back in 1970's.
No need for a reply.. I am off to do my nails...
I think you also refer to people viewing the posts as Returning To Regurgiate their own Vomit... Have you ever apologised for such inappropriate behaviour.. I doubt you have any courage. Face to Face even less, I would suggest.
So I doubt your sincerity in what you are saying here.. Simply put I would argue that you are not the person you project to be but a driven individual looking to have your ego stroked by persons with similar poor self asteem. Rising to the top of playing with toys is perhasp all that you can achieve in this world. A legacy you are welcome to.
No Doubt Mr Leitis will now edit or delete my post & that is his choice.. A double stand when considering his own posts..
Your History Mr Straw is such that you are not worthy of any true discussion.
And to use anothers definition.. An Egotist is somebody ME-Deep in conversation. Which is what I see in every post you have ever made, including your previous ID, which you cancelled.
Mr Leitis, your history & now your actions do not match your words.. So why should you be believed & trusted. My decision is that you support what you claim to hate the most.
-- Edited by taz666 on Friday 30th of December 2011 12:46:47 PM
-- Edited by taz666 on Friday 30th of December 2011 12:48:39 PM
Yes Straw I am interested and would like to use this forum to contact people and wish all sailors a happy new year, the quiry about boats for young people coming into the HOBBY and why we cant keep them interested maybe my experience can give you some insight into how hard it is. My oldest grand son now 28 when he was 14 I tried to get him sailing over a period of 12 months but no luck, when asked what he would like he wanted a power boat that made noise and went fast so I made him one and he is still into them (maybe its time I tried him on yachts again!!) now I have a request from the three youngest Grandson's mother to make them a boat each and after a lot of questioning and sailing they have come come up with power and noise also so what can we do?Over the last 10 years the only young sailor I've seen enter and go on with sailing has been Greg Torpy, most who approach clubs are in the 40+ age group and finished with full size sailing and want to try Rc yachts. The next down fall is when they ask how much it is to get into this Hobby and usually are told $1000- $1500+ which is a big putoff if they have just sold their full size boat for the same price. We can usually get them on the water with a good reliable boat for about $600. We see all these boats (lets say IOM's) listed at $3-5000 that are over 6years old and long passed there use by date, what happened to the old axium of second hand is about 50% of new and then it is 90% the sailor and 10% boat that brings out the performance of the boat, I know as after over 50 yrs of RC sailing I am still in the middle of the fleet enjoying myself wereas the same boat in the hands of our better sailors it is out in the lead. just been interuptedby a phone call. Donc
I am sorry that this post appears as one great big jumble of words. I cannot seem to get the text paragraphs separated by lines of space. Hope you all can read it OK? Straw
Hello all. I had not anticipated posting again on here this side of New Year, but after witnessing the reaction to my simple Christmas greeting post (now closed) I thought that it would be appropriate to mention a couple of things in the aftermath of those posts.
Firstly I would like to express my appreciation to Don (Maverick) for the way he managed and handled the farce that developed due to WAboat"s decision to respond to a post that didn't warrant a response at all. It was intended as a simple Christmas salutation to my fellow radio sailors along with an indication that I would be providing more information about the future activity and response of the owners association shortly (likely towards the end of January). There is no question about there being any secret agenda or clandestine action on my part to withold information from members! If that was my supposed modus operandi why would I broadcast on here in a public forum that it was my intention to provide further information to all interested parties? My thanks to all of those people who took the time to defend me and make comment about what was said. I appreciate it greatly.
Secondly I find it perplexing that WAboats indicated that in some way my Christmas message was an act of provocation to him and as a result he found it necessary to respond in the way he did and indeed he seemed to indicate that he had hoped that I would indulge in some sort of tirade towards him in reaction to his attack. If so then he is sadly mistaken and the only reason that I am even daining to mention the person is in an attempt to ascertain the degree of interest in possible future discussion on these pages regarding various developments and activities as they apply to our class notwithstanding the attack on what we are about in the OA by this one individual.
A casual observation of the degree of interest in the affairs of our class will indicate to the observer that there appears to be an inordinate degree of interest as demonstrated by the extreme number of hits that most posts seem to attract. It would appear that this forum is extremely well patronized and therefor worthy of rehabilitation by weeding out detractors etc to allow more positive discussion to occur. Obviously a fair percentage of those hits could be due to the same individuals returning on a regular basis to see if there are any further postings to current threads, but still..................there are a lot of hits!
Again thank you Don for taking the time to enforce some modicum of decorum and prove to us all that there is indeed some good oversight in place here, which now leads me onto my third point.
As it appears that this site is well patronized I would respectfully like to enquire via a "straw" poll ( pardon the pun he he) just how many people are actually reading these pages by making an acknowledging post following this one simply by indicating their identity with a one line response. Ofcourse I would welcome anything else people may care to say but at least a simple "I am here and interested" response is all I ask. The reason why I believe that is important is that I am trying to see if this site is a suitable forum for positive discussion and communication regarding our class. If so then it will be a worthwhile venue for dissemination of information to interested parties. Can I rely on and invite readers to respond even if it is necessary to go through the relatively easy process of signing up to this forum so that they can comply? I have to say that I was mortified by Don Clifford's remarks regarding his steering new people away from this site because of some irresponsible posting that goes on here. Anyway let's see if we can improve things around here in the section that involves our class?
Thank you all for your attention and again happy New Year.
Straw
-- Edited by Straw on Friday 30th of December 2011 09:16:55 AM
-- Edited by Straw on Friday 30th of December 2011 09:24:07 AM
-- Edited by Straw on Saturday 31st of December 2011 07:23:54 AM
Would just make the post easier to read. 
